Post by CoryPost by DonnaB shallotpeelIn rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs on Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:41:21 -0000 in Msg.#
Post by SeminoleI've been wondering...
Lily was Emma's granddaughter, wasn't she?
Then how can she have married Emma's son Holden?
Does anyone remember that far back?
Iva was adopted.
FTR, for those newer viewers who may be unfamiliar with the Snyder
family tree, Iva is Emma's daughter and Lily's birth mother. Yes, Iva
was adopted. Lily was adopted by Lucinda, who IIRC, couldn't have
children (but we were introduced to Sierra at some point during all of
this saga re: Lily, so go figure that one out).
Lucinda conceived Sierra with Jacobo Esteban (probably spelled some of
that wrong), but was married to Martin Guest when they adopted Lily.
Martin was the fertility problem, not Lucinda.
Post by CoryThis question takes me back to the barn and Rod Landry and Iva standing
there with a pitchfork screaming at Rod, "She's your daughter!", after
Rod tried to, I believe, force himself on Lily (who did Rod get married
to, of the Snyder women, later on as time passed? Was it Meg??). I saw
this moment happen in real time, didn't have any spoiler warning, and
just sat there, mouth agape as I tried to wrap my brain around the fact
that Iva was Lily's birth mother and not Lucinda. I'd have to check
"The Book" to see when exactly this took place, but I am pretty sure it
was sometime after 1985-86.
June, 1987
As Michael pointed out, Josh wasn't trying to rape Lily, Iva just
jumped to that conclusion after hearing Lily sobbing in the barn and
Josh's voice. But, viewers already knew that Iva was Lily's mother,
the big reveal her was that Josh was the father and Lily found out
both items at once. Iva had previously revealed to Lucinda that she
was Lily's mother and agreed to keep quiet. The question then was, who
was the father and the reveals came like gunfire: it was Josh, it was
rape, Josh was Iva's cousin, no, not by blood, since Iva was adopted,
too!, who were Iva's biological parents, why hadn't Emma told Iva or
the other kids, boom, boom, boom.
Josh later got involved with Betsy Stewart (then played by Lindsay
Frost), then married Meg and moved to Waco, TX for many years.
Post by CoryI think that this moment in ATWT still ranks as one of the most classic
moments for this soap, ever.
--- Cory
THere's a whole series of clips on the story on YouTube, titled "ATWT
Lily learns she was adopted" but it starts with the scene you
describe, when it really should have started with the day prior to
that, so that you could see the wind up.
Another great series of clips is "ATWT Lily's First Time" which was
Oct or Nov of 1987, of course, with Dusty, but it includes some
arguments between Lily and Holden that lead to their breakup.
A new one I have to check out is "ATWT James Kidnaps Lily" which also
took place in 1987. Busy girl!
KC